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but going over the fiscal cliff is serious business. and i'm here seriously trying to resolve it. and i would hope the white house would get serious as well. >> good morning. i'm mika brzezinski along here with joe scarborough, and this is "way too early." it's just "way too
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business. i think they can just sit there and he can say, so, governor romney, what are your thoughts on the fiscal cliff. >> it doesn't matter. they're going to sit there for, what, 90 minutes, 30 minutes, 15? >> 90 minutes is excruciating. >> 90 minutes with mitt romney regardless of the person who's there would be pretty awkward. >> i think it's a good thing. i don't care what you all think anymore. >> he's over us. >> i do care about the 47 million people -- or 47% who voted for romney. i do care about you guys, right? that's cool. >>> up next, what women stand to lose in the fiscal fiasco. now president terry o'neill is in the guest spot. [ male announcer ] when a major hospital wanted to provide better employee benefits while balancing the company's bottom line, their very first word was... [ to the tune of "lullaby and good night" ] ♪ af-lac ♪ aflac [ male announcer ] find out more at... [ duck ] aflac! [ male announcer ] ...forbusiness.com. [ yawning sound ] try this... bayer? this
business. i think they can just sit there and he can say, so, governor romney, what are your thoughts on the fiscal cliff. >> it doesn't matter. they're going to sit there for, what, 90 minutes, 30 minutes, 15? >> 90 minutes is excruciating. >> 90 minutes with mitt romney regardless of the person who's there would be pretty awkward. >> i think it's a good thing. i don't care what you all think anymore. >> he's over us. >> i do care about the 47 million people...
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but going over the fiscal cliff is serious business. and i'm here seriously trying to resolve it. and i would hope the white house would get serious, as well. >> is this assessment of yours based on the meeting with secretary geithner or your phone call with president obama last night and you can tell us something about that knophone c? >> we had very nice conversation last night. it was direct and straightforward. but this assessment i give you today would be a product of both of those conversations. >> how much would you be open to the idea of discretionary spending cuts as part of a down payment to give to a longer range solution on entitlements and tax reform? >> there are a lot of options on the table, including that one. >> mr. speaker, before the election, you were asked whether if obama won taxes would have to go up. and you've made it sound like you would oppose that. now you're acknowledging that they will. >> the day after the election, i came here and made it clear that republicans would put revenue on the table as a way to begin to move the process to get this resolve
but going over the fiscal cliff is serious business. and i'm here seriously trying to resolve it. and i would hope the white house would get serious, as well. >> is this assessment of yours based on the meeting with secretary geithner or your phone call with president obama last night and you can tell us something about that knophone c? >> we had very nice conversation last night. it was direct and straightforward. but this assessment i give you today would be a product of both of...
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businesses are looking ahead, and they're thinking with increased taxes, because of the fiscal cliff, if the worst happens, consumer demand is just going to fall off. they are already ting action today to try to prepare for that eventuality. but the consumer is kind of blankly ignoring this, and confidence is up for really lots of reasons. i mean, the net worth of households has been repaired. about two-thirds of it has come back as house prices rise and stock prices are now double what they were at the bottom in march of '09. when you look at state and local budgets, they're now much better with revenue rising. so theayof and budget cuts, we think are waning, if not over. housing is clearly coming back. things are improving and consumer confidence reflects that. >> tom: but there is that dark cloud of the fiscal cliff. you mentioned it earlier, businesses planning for consumer confidence to go off that cliff if we go off it as a country. do you not agree with that prospect? >> well, no. i believe it will -- if nothing happens and there is no agreement, i think there will be a mild, k
businesses are looking ahead, and they're thinking with increased taxes, because of the fiscal cliff, if the worst happens, consumer demand is just going to fall off. they are already ting action today to try to prepare for that eventuality. but the consumer is kind of blankly ignoring this, and confidence is up for really lots of reasons. i mean, the net worth of households has been repaired. about two-thirds of it has come back as house prices rise and stock prices are now double what they...
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the fiscal cliff is getting close now. it's just a month away. with fears of the tax hike coming, some businesses are scrambling to make a big profit before december 31st. now, obviously holiday shopping will help with that. but many are saying that's just not enough. deal makers and their clients are hustling to sell stocks and even entire companies, all in an effort to get that money in their pockets before the new year. this week, secretary of state hillae clinton is joining in on the conversation, calling it an issue of national security. >> that's because if congress fails to pass a budget deal in the next 31 days we could see dangerous consequences, not only for the u.s. standing in the world but, also for the entire global economy. clinton spoke with the brookins institute yesterday and said while europe does need to fix its own props, much of the -- problems, much of the burden is on washington to build stronger foundationsats home. house speaker boehner said yesterday that he was seeing no progress in negotiations but the democrats, they
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business, continue to grow and at the same time make sure we solve this fiscal cliff. each and every day as we walk the halls you continue to ask the question. we want the answers solving fiscal cliff. we put be a offer on the table. the president now has to engage. i think the next 72 hours are critical. he sits back and continues to play politics, that will give you answer of where we're going. this is an opportunity for this country to lead. this is an opportunity for the president to lead. >> as fiscal cliff negotiations and debate continues, i think it's important to remember that washington doesn't have a revenue problem. it has a spending problem. under this administration under president obama we have seen record deficits and a record debt accumulate and yet he keeps demanding that we raise taxes -- >> those are some of the republican leadership in the house as you can see responding to the white house's response to their counteroffer of a couple days ago as a reminder the president is going to speak to the business roundtable at 10:50 this morning. we think he
business, continue to grow and at the same time make sure we solve this fiscal cliff. each and every day as we walk the halls you continue to ask the question. we want the answers solving fiscal cliff. we put be a offer on the table. the president now has to engage. i think the next 72 hours are critical. he sits back and continues to play politics, that will give you answer of where we're going. this is an opportunity for this country to lead. this is an opportunity for the president to lead....
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. >>> if we go over the fiscal cliff, global business travel association estimates that u.s. biz travel spending will take a $20 billion hit in the short term. but how about the long term outlook? find out next. [ male announcer ] you are a business pro. governor of getting it done. you know how to dance... with a deadline. and you...rent from national. because only national lets you choose any car in the aisle... and go. you can even take a full-size or above, and still pay the mid-size price. this is awesome. [ male announcer ] yes, it is, business pro. yes, it is. go national. go like a pro. >>> what are the long term effects for business travel if the economy falls off the fiscal cliff? the gbta predicts the reduced deficits and lower interest rates will lead to growth in the economy and an increase in business travel spending. >>> welcome back. now to the weather channel. reynolds wolf is standing by. what is happening around the country today? >> the story is all west. everything is taking place out west. rain, some strong winds, even some snow. some places snow getting
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are they worried that if indeed we get close to the fiscal cliff or we go over the fiscal cliff that that will affect their businesses? >> well, for us, we primarily focus on working with small, medium size businesses. fiscal cliffs and politics don't come up much in our conversations. we focus on creating customer unique rewards. i think businesses know from a consumer standpoint, it's greater than 90% are disposable income is spent within a couple of miles of your home. focusing on local, helping businesses retain customers an drive frequency in their local markets can really help drive through any potential impact of a fiscal cliff. >> jeff, what are you hearing in the valley about the fiscal cliff, how concerned are the other people that you talk to, the inknow vnovators out there, are millionaires, billionaires and many of whom are trying to start new businesses in the valley. >> you know, the perception is more about -- the talk is more about the potential impact on business and allowing -- not taking action to address this issue and letting it expire is bad for business. every
are they worried that if indeed we get close to the fiscal cliff or we go over the fiscal cliff that that will affect their businesses? >> well, for us, we primarily focus on working with small, medium size businesses. fiscal cliffs and politics don't come up much in our conversations. we focus on creating customer unique rewards. i think businesses know from a consumer standpoint, it's greater than 90% are disposable income is spent within a couple of miles of your home. focusing on...
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>> you know, we use the volatility, the fiscal cliff to buy great businesses that are on sale. you know, the fact remains that the stocks are extremely underowned like i've never seen. i saw the other day, in 2006 pensions and endowments had about 60% of their enveinvestme in equities. that's down to under 35% in most cases. you also had four years of the much yul fund li mutual fund liquidations. i don't think the market is at great risk here. stay with domestic companies. stay with companies that have real high barriers of entry that are kpacheap. if you get caught up in the day to day news flow, you can get whipped in and out. the fiscal cliff will be resolved, whether it's two weeks or a month and a half. the market will move around, but long term it looks good. >> the question s how will it be resolved? jeff cox, already we are seeing a movement on the part of investors to say, if i'm sitting on a position where i've made money, i'm going to sell now given the fact i've been taxed at a 15% capital gains tax versus 20, 25, 30, who the heck knows in 2013. so why would i want
>> you know, we use the volatility, the fiscal cliff to buy great businesses that are on sale. you know, the fact remains that the stocks are extremely underowned like i've never seen. i saw the other day, in 2006 pensions and endowments had about 60% of their enveinvestme in equities. that's down to under 35% in most cases. you also had four years of the much yul fund li mutual fund liquidations. i don't think the market is at great risk here. stay with domestic companies. stay with...
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we'll and jeff solomon -- what other effects the fiscal cliff is having on business and investment. and reminder, here we go again, this is -- don't miss steve liesman's exclusive interview. >> read it, joe, it's what the company wants you to do. >> with treasury secretary tim geithner. liesman will be on at 4:00 he'll also have geithner. [ male announcer ] this december, remember -- what starts with adding a friend... ♪ ♪ ...could end with adding a close friend. ♪ the lexus december to remember sales event is on, offering some of our best values of the year. this is the pursuit of perfection. >>> welcome back to "squawk box," everyone. let's take a look at shares of walgreens. november same store sales fell by 6.2%. that is smaller than the 7.3% drop that analysts had been expecting. >>> and a big deal just made official moments ago, freeport mcmoran is buying two companies. the combined price about $20 billion. now owns about 31% of mcmoran exploration. take a look at that, up about 25% for plains exploration. >> mm-hmm. >>> and another company moving up its dividend, best b
we'll and jeff solomon -- what other effects the fiscal cliff is having on business and investment. and reminder, here we go again, this is -- don't miss steve liesman's exclusive interview. >> read it, joe, it's what the company wants you to do. >> with treasury secretary tim geithner. liesman will be on at 4:00 he'll also have geithner. [ male announcer ] this december, remember -- what starts with adding a friend... ♪ ♪ ...could end with adding a close friend. ♪ the lexus...
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as for the stock market, closing higher after treasury secretary headed to capitol hill for fiscal cliff negotiations. as for bloomberg silicon valley index, it ended up, as well. getting back to daily deals, there is a business that is troubled and another company, living social. it just laid off about 400 employees, roughly 10 percent of its total work force. this comes after amazon took $169 million write down last quarter in it's stake. >>> we've seen scattered showers throughout the day but only the beginning of what is to come. >> some in is little bit of a lull. >> absolutely. that is going to spell trouble. winds over the higher terrain, gusting 40-50 miles an hour. here is a live picture. you can see a wet and windy scene there. the vein steady in the north bay. i want to show you live doppler 7-hd. you will see it's pretty widespread. let me take you in closer and shoe you where it is range from ukiah down to cloverdale. the rain ahead of the storm down to street level. river road, fountain grove parkway, rainfall right now but it's light. stronger winds are coming for the morn
as for the stock market, closing higher after treasury secretary headed to capitol hill for fiscal cliff negotiations. as for bloomberg silicon valley index, it ended up, as well. getting back to daily deals, there is a business that is troubled and another company, living social. it just laid off about 400 employees, roughly 10 percent of its total work force. this comes after amazon took $169 million write down last quarter in it's stake. >>> we've seen scattered showers throughout...
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fiscal cliff. first we hear from house speaker john boehner after meeting with treasury secretary tim geithner. that is followed by house democratic leaders after their meeting. then, senate democrats explain what they're looking for in negotiations with republicans. friday on "washington journal," a congressional this story and gives a history of the filibuster rule in the senate and explains the changes senate leader harry reid is pursuing. then austin tell us less starting at 7:00 eastern on c-span. -- washington journal is live at 7:00 eastern on c-span. >> we had 2000 flag officers and generals. today we had one dozen flak officers and generals. the ratio is out of whack. it is not a captain, and a battle of. we look at where we can not only save the money, but we can transfer responsibilities at of the pentagon and consolidate programs and serious significant amount of money. >> this weekend you can talk about tom coburn above the fiscal cliff and the republican party in "in the." on c-span 2
fiscal cliff. first we hear from house speaker john boehner after meeting with treasury secretary tim geithner. that is followed by house democratic leaders after their meeting. then, senate democrats explain what they're looking for in negotiations with republicans. friday on "washington journal," a congressional this story and gives a history of the filibuster rule in the senate and explains the changes senate leader harry reid is pursuing. then austin tell us less starting at 7:00...
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but going over the fiscal cliff is serious business. and i'm here seriously trying to resolve it. and i would hope the white house would get serious as well. >> we can debate at length whether the november 6th election was a mandate, but i don't think we can debate the basics that it was a work order, a work order from the american people to members of congress and to the president, roll up your sleeves, work together and solve the problems. we got the message. did speaker boehner get the message? because the message was work together. what we hear from him is all of his pain and frustration and angst dealing with the tea party in his own caucus. well, there comes a point when he needs to look beyond his caucus to the house and to the nation. >> all right. welcome back to "morning joe." >> i guess the more things change, the more they stay the same. it's depressing, you're right, harold, we've seen this movie before. this was a year ago. this happened a year ago. and i know the media says oh, it's the republicans' fault any time the house doesn't completely fold into what the pres
but going over the fiscal cliff is serious business. and i'm here seriously trying to resolve it. and i would hope the white house would get serious as well. >> we can debate at length whether the november 6th election was a mandate, but i don't think we can debate the basics that it was a work order, a work order from the american people to members of congress and to the president, roll up your sleeves, work together and solve the problems. we got the message. did speaker boehner get the...
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cliff is serious business. and i'm here seriously trying to resolve it. and i would hope the white house would get serious as well. >> speaker boehner made very clear at his press conference that he thinks the ball is in your court and the president's court. he says democrats have got to get series about spending cuts. where is the disconnect? >> i don't understand his brain so you should ask him. okay? >> reid making those comments to our own kate bolduan. i'm joined by dan lothian. dan, we're learning more about the white house plan to deal with the fiscal cliff. break it down for us. >> reporter: right. this is the plan that secretary -- treasury secretary timothy geithner took up to capitol hill yesterday. it calls for $1.6 trillion in tax increases over a ten-year period more than republicans had anticipated. in addition to that, $400 billion in spending cuts that will come later. much of that not really specified. we're looking at entitlements such as medicare. and then the plan also includes $50 billion
cliff is serious business. and i'm here seriously trying to resolve it. and i would hope the white house would get serious as well. >> speaker boehner made very clear at his press conference that he thinks the ball is in your court and the president's court. he says democrats have got to get series about spending cuts. where is the disconnect? >> i don't understand his brain so you should ask him. okay? >> reid making those comments to our own kate bolduan. i'm joined by dan...
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. >> but it's got to be a little bit more than just this advertising, fiscal cliff. what about the business model? look at the competition. these other places that folks can go to listen to music. i mean, what about all of that impacting? we're down 20%. that is huge. >> you know what? that is a big move. stocks don't normally lose 20% in a day. generally speaking, when i see a stock go down 20% in a day, because we like to buy low and sell high, we tend to buy those kind of situations, especially when companies have a clean balance sheet, no debt. no now, in regards to competition, this is a company that expanded its market share. at the end of the day, this is a business model that does have competition. spotify is the record store, if you will, of the internet as well as itunes. apple is the radio, the z-100 of the internet. you don't really see z-100 competing with record stores. therefore, pandora and spotify and itunes are the business model. >> but does pandora have a jingle ball like z-100, rich? i think not. but they do have lots of choices in music. >> joe
. >> but it's got to be a little bit more than just this advertising, fiscal cliff. what about the business model? look at the competition. these other places that folks can go to listen to music. i mean, what about all of that impacting? we're down 20%. that is huge. >> you know what? that is a big move. stocks don't normally lose 20% in a day. generally speaking, when i see a stock go down 20% in a day, because we like to buy low and sell high, we tend to buy those kind of...
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going over the fiscal cliff is serious business. and i am here seriously trying to resolve it and i would hope that the white house would get serious as well. a congressional republican aide said the only changes in the entitlement come from the president's budget that was voted down by the u.s. senate 99-zero and zoro democrats supported it. the white house said it is the republicans and their refusal to ask higher income americans to pay higher rates. >> asking for a price to be paid for congress to do its job and insure that the united states of america does pay the bills is deeply irresponsible. it was deeply irresponsible in the summer of 2011 and deeply irresponsible if we were to see that kind of approach taken again. >> something new in the proposal. they want to continue to raise the debt limit on their own unless two-thirds of lawmakers say no. >> gretchen: do you remember on this program yesterday where we said this is not a deal. what is proposed is not a deal. a definition of deal, both sides give something, right. this
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the fiscal cliff is a serious business and i'm here seriously trying to resolve it and i would hope the white house would get serious as well. >> welcome tt colonel, editorial report, i'm paul gigot, not a meeting of the minds between president obama and house speaker john boehner where talks to end the fiscal showdown ends. the president for his park took his place for the public and called for america and little cuts to entitlement spending something the speaker says must be part of any final deal. wall street journal columnist and dan henninger, and mary an anna-- anastasia o'grady and kim strassel. you've been talking it it sources and is the mood as hour as it sounds. >> it is by the end of this week and here is why, the republicans came out right after the election and said to the president, you want revenue here. you want revenue on the wealthy, we'll give it to you, limiting tax deductions for the wealthy. the president instead of taking that and running with tceiling a deal has been campaigning for tax hikes and to cap it off sent treasury secretary tim geithner to congress wit
the fiscal cliff is a serious business and i'm here seriously trying to resolve it and i would hope the white house would get serious as well. >> welcome tt colonel, editorial report, i'm paul gigot, not a meeting of the minds between president obama and house speaker john boehner where talks to end the fiscal showdown ends. the president for his park took his place for the public and called for america and little cuts to entitlement spending something the speaker says must be part of any...
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whatever is happening this week with the fiscal cliff, it's just one little blip in a multidecade goal to reshape how america looks politically, business. they are very philosophically focused and very, very disciplined, and very, very wealthy. >> the piece is to mark his 77th birthday, so he has been at it for some time. here is another interesting passage from your article. charles' many critics owe on the left, including the president of the united states, accuse him of accumulating too much power and using it to promote his own economic interests through a network of secretive organizations they call the kochtopus. what is it and how far does it stretch? >> on the left the idea is that they are funding many if not most, certainly many, of the leading right wing think tanks. if you think about it, this is how they play the game. they're talking about long-term investments. a lot of people are focused on how much money was spent by super pacs and donors in this election cycle. what the kochs have always done is said we're going to look at this and say how can we lay the seeds? they k
whatever is happening this week with the fiscal cliff, it's just one little blip in a multidecade goal to reshape how america looks politically, business. they are very philosophically focused and very, very disciplined, and very, very wealthy. >> the piece is to mark his 77th birthday, so he has been at it for some time. here is another interesting passage from your article. charles' many critics owe on the left, including the president of the united states, accuse him of accumulating...
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those 40 republicans part of this bipartisan group that would be open to new ideas on the fiscal cliff talks. of the dow, the best performers and worst performers today, the full-ti financials higher led by bank of america. nasdaq, we need to highlight this, was lower, down 20 points today. why? because of apple. apple had one of its worst days. we highlighted this earlier. something very archean called the death cross, the 50-day moving average crossed below the 200-day moving average. what does that mean? just means it could be going lower from here. down 6% on apple today. the yield of the ten-year went lower. as they were buying stocks, they were also buying treasuries today. we were below 1.58 for a time on the ten-year note. finally, watch the vix. the fear indicator continues to move lower today. we've not been above 20. sort of the yellow flag territory since july. ben willis, is this market complacent since the fear indicator does not go higher even when we have fears about the fiscal cliff? >> no, i don't think it's come play september. i think we've actually started the end
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cliff. those cuts are set to go into affect in three weeks. admiral james lyons joins us in just moments. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] they are a glowing example of what it means to be the best. and at this special time of year, they shine even brighter. come to the winter event and get the mercedes-benz y've always wished for, now for an exceptional price. [ santa ] ho, ho, ho, ho! [ male announcer ] lease a 2013 glk350 for $399 a month at your local mercedes-benz dealer. ♪ lou: welcme back. we are talking about the disco cliff. we are going to turn to advance in the middle east and the united nations this week. judy miller, joe trip be, and rollins. i wanted just go back to the fiscal cliff just for a second. that is, the republican messaging, if you will. they have an opportunity here, it seems to me, as well as a problem, but i don't hear creative, imaginative, if you will, rhetoric or language or positioning or messaging. >> we have been for about three years now. so i think there's no
cliff. those cuts are set to go into affect in three weeks. admiral james lyons joins us in just moments. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] they are a glowing example of what it means to be the best. and at this special time of year, they shine even brighter. come to the winter event and get the mercedes-benz y've always wished for, now for an exceptional price. [ santa ] ho, ho, ho, ho! [ male announcer ] lease a 2013 glk350 for $399 a month at your local mercedes-benz dealer. ♪ lou: welcme back....
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brian moynihan was talking about small businesses impacted by the fiscal cliff. i did an interview yesterday afternoon with someone who has done hundreds of channel checks and works in the same areas as you and warns me that he's seeing softness. take a listen. >> we're seeing now october, november little bit of a slowdown. it's due to post-election blues. fiscal cliff coming up. you had hurricane impact on the northeast when most of the companies report fourth quarter sometime in january i think they will probably see some sort of a modest slowdown versus that third quarter trend that we saw. >> let me take you specifically to a note out you have this morning on the cruise liners where you are talking about the trends there. the pricing there continuing to deteriorate at a time when royal caribbean is up 42% year-to-date. carnival up 19%. what do you make of that area now? should people sell? >> i guess i would say contrary to what your guest just said from bank of america, we are actually seeing weakening signs across all four sectors. we cover hospitality broa
brian moynihan was talking about small businesses impacted by the fiscal cliff. i did an interview yesterday afternoon with someone who has done hundreds of channel checks and works in the same areas as you and warns me that he's seeing softness. take a listen. >> we're seeing now october, november little bit of a slowdown. it's due to post-election blues. fiscal cliff coming up. you had hurricane impact on the northeast when most of the companies report fourth quarter sometime in january...
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fiscal cliff or november's job numbers could be an anomaly and data thrown out the window in next month he a report. we have to see. >>> speaking of workers, ibm, a company at the forefront of employee benefits is overhauling the retirement benefits program, like many companies out there, they match employee 401(k) contributions 6 to 8% of pay every pay period. now the company says it is switching the matches it makes to once a year, so the amount employees get from ibm isn't changing but the workers that leave before december 15 matching date won't get their payment for the year. look out for companies to follow that move with similar ones of their own in attempt to save on employee benefits. be careful when you decide to leave the company you work for. bad timing could cost you. for more detailed coverage, tune into "your money" saturday at 1:00 p.m. eastern. paired with savory garlic shrimp. just $12.99. come into red lobster and sea food differently. and introducing 7 lunch choices for just $7.99. bp has paid overthe people of bp twenty-threeitment to the gulf. billion dollars to he
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we want to listen to speaker boehner making comments right now on the fiscal cliff. >> small business owners are regular men and women from all backgrounds who in today's economy are facing challenges on a daily basis. the president's tax increase would be another crippling blow for them while doing little to nothing to solve the bigger problem here which is our national deficit and our national debt. this debt doesn't exist because we don't tax small businesses enough. it exists because washington continues to spend too much. raising taxes on small businesses instead of taking a balanced approach that also cuts spending is wrong. it's only going to make it harder for our economy to grow. if our economy doesn't grow, americans don't get new jobs. and the debt problem that we have will continue to threaten our children's future. as i said the day after the election the republicans are not seeking to impose our will on the president. we're seeking a bipartisan solution that can pass both chambers of congress and be signed into law by the president in the coming days. during the campaign
we want to listen to speaker boehner making comments right now on the fiscal cliff. >> small business owners are regular men and women from all backgrounds who in today's economy are facing challenges on a daily basis. the president's tax increase would be another crippling blow for them while doing little to nothing to solve the bigger problem here which is our national deficit and our national debt. this debt doesn't exist because we don't tax small businesses enough. it exists because...
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look, you are talking about the fiscal cliff, 25 days away until these tax hikes and federal spending cuts go into effect. you are looking at wall street. it is not making any big moves because of the uncertainty of what is going to happen with this. how long are politicians going to continue dragging their feet. and it is not just wall street. you know, it is beginning to eat into consumer confidence. we just got this index, university of michigan consumer confidence index. just a short time ago, this morning. it showed that consumer confidence plunged and in the first week of its month because americans don't know what to expect taxwise. that's a bad sign for retailers at the most important time of the year. the holidays. because guess what, if consumers aren't feeling confident, they are no going to spend. that domino effect that hit retailers, many of these retailers depend on the holiday sales to push them into a profit important the year. this is what's weighing out there in -- you know, for consumers, yes. fiscal cliff definitely weighing on things. despite the fact that the jo
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cliff, rather, and if they don't, it could harm consumer can ha confidence and in turn businesses like this one in pennsylvania. but, chris, also expect republicans to sort of lob a counterpunch today. i expect them to sort of highlight a business nearby that could be harmed if taxes do go up on those making $250,000 or more because, of course, that is for some small businesses their budget level. chris? >> and one thing, a quick follow-up, did the white house -- do you have any indication did the white house expect the reaction they got on capitol hill yesterday? i assume with this proposal, which much of it isn't new. this is essentially the president's budget proposal from last year, that they didn't think john boehner was going to say, that sounds good, let's do that. but did they expect the dismissiveness and john boehner's tone in his press conference yesterday? did that catch them by surprise at all? >> reporter: well, i think the white house democrats were a little surprised by the backlash but, as you point out, this budget proposal is essentially what the president proposed l
cliff, rather, and if they don't, it could harm consumer can ha confidence and in turn businesses like this one in pennsylvania. but, chris, also expect republicans to sort of lob a counterpunch today. i expect them to sort of highlight a business nearby that could be harmed if taxes do go up on those making $250,000 or more because, of course, that is for some small businesses their budget level. chris? >> and one thing, a quick follow-up, did the white house -- do you have any...
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cliff uncertainty could lead to an increase in mergers and acquisitions. they look to complete transactions by year end and i made a fool of myself the last hour trying to go all the way through. not doing it anymore. >> we do that all the time here. that's what we have three hours for. >> it was dumb. >> the name fiscal cliff where did that actually come from? >> i don't know. >> bernanke maybe. >> maybe. >> really? >> maybe bernanke. >> that thing really stuck. >> that's a good question. that's good trivia. i'll goog it. >> we've said it's not really. it doesn't happen really. it's more of a ski slope it's not a black diamond slope. it's more advanthan advanced. >> a double blue. >> but not without a lot of moguls. >> dan gilbert is the own of the cleveland cavaliers and the founder of quicken loans and you're the perfect person to have here because you have your finger on so many different things happening in detroit and around the country. let's start with the housing industry this morning because people have been trying to figure out if the resurgence
cliff uncertainty could lead to an increase in mergers and acquisitions. they look to complete transactions by year end and i made a fool of myself the last hour trying to go all the way through. not doing it anymore. >> we do that all the time here. that's what we have three hours for. >> it was dumb. >> the name fiscal cliff where did that actually come from? >> i don't know. >> bernanke maybe. >> maybe. >> really? >> maybe bernanke. >>...
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we talked about a lot of things including the looming fiscal cliff. talked about business concerns as you head into the end of the year and even what to expect in 2014. bank of america has 55 million customers here in america. they represent one out of every two households. so moynihan has a very good idea about what consumers are doing and if they spending less because of the fiscal cliff. here's what he had to say. >> i'm more about business behavior than consumer behavior. people continue to spend, housing is a little better. all the things that affect stock market are in decent shape. the question was will everything going on cause them on slow down again. >> what are you you see rg businesses right now? >> almost a year and a halving a go, businesses getting concerned about the nature of the dialogue about the fiscal situation? washington and in europe and the issues that had to be dealt with long term and how it affects near term business in terms of what would be accelerated appreciation for investment in business. what will be the final demand
we talked about a lot of things including the looming fiscal cliff. talked about business concerns as you head into the end of the year and even what to expect in 2014. bank of america has 55 million customers here in america. they represent one out of every two households. so moynihan has a very good idea about what consumers are doing and if they spending less because of the fiscal cliff. here's what he had to say. >> i'm more about business behavior than consumer behavior. people...
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and the fiscal cliff negotiations are not going well at all. on thursday republicans leaked the white house's opening bid and we have some exclusive tape of that. >> all right. somebody will have to play a little game. we'll play yours. so let's just say that you paid me because it is in your interest to pay me. but i want your answer and the money by noon tomorrow. >> senator, you can have my answer now, if you like. my offer is this -- nothing. >> okay. maybe that's not actually exclusive tape of the budget negotiations, but it is kind of the spirit of the thing. president obama's opening bid to the republicans goes like this. first democrats get a trillion dollars in tax revenue by letting the high-income bush tax expire. that hatch matches the spending cuts in the 2011 debt ceiling deal. a trillion for a trillion. then democrats and republicans get 6 billion worth of stuff they want. democrats get 6 billion from tax reform and republicans get 600 billion in spending cuts of which 350 billion comes from medicare and other health problems and
and the fiscal cliff negotiations are not going well at all. on thursday republicans leaked the white house's opening bid and we have some exclusive tape of that. >> all right. somebody will have to play a little game. we'll play yours. so let's just say that you paid me because it is in your interest to pay me. but i want your answer and the money by noon tomorrow. >> senator, you can have my answer now, if you like. my offer is this -- nothing. >> okay. maybe that's not...
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but going over the fiscal cliff is serious business, and i'm here seriously trying to resolve it and i would hope the white house would get serious as well. >> is this based on your meeting with secretary geithner or your phone call with president obama last night. could you tell us something about that phone call? >> well, we had a very nice conversation last night. it was direct. and straightforward. but this assessment i give you today would be a product of both of those conversations. >> how much would you be open to the idea of discretionary spending cuts as part of a down payment to get to a longer range solution on entitlements and tax reforms? >> there are a lot of options on the table including that one. >> before the election you were asked whether if obama won taxes would have to go up. i are acknowledging that they will. >> the day after the election i came here and made it clear that the republicans would put revenue on the table as a way to begin to move the process to get this resolved. >> my question is, what message do you have for people who look at the negotiating
but going over the fiscal cliff is serious business, and i'm here seriously trying to resolve it and i would hope the white house would get serious as well. >> is this based on your meeting with secretary geithner or your phone call with president obama last night. could you tell us something about that phone call? >> well, we had a very nice conversation last night. it was direct. and straightforward. but this assessment i give you today would be a product of both of those...
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going over the fiscal cliff is serious business. >> is serious. >> sound byte: i'm here trying to resolve it. i would hope the white house would get serious as well. >> get it solved with bourbon. >> stephanie: jim can confirm this is what we've been doing all morning. i brought in leftover french fries and i brought mustard and i've been doing this all morning. sorry about the carpet. sorry, sorry. >> the noises were more graphic when there was more mustard. >> speaking of immature on facebook, tell stephanie if she's ever in austin, i know a gay boy who would motor boat her vigorously. [ squeezing mustard ] >> so that happened. >> stephanie: we've had a week. dan in columbus, here on "the stephanie miller show." hi dan. >> caller: hey, stephanie. my congressional district is right next to john boehners, and if anyone thinks he's the voice of reason, they need to come and read the columbus dispatch to see some of the stuff that he says that is even more inflammatory than the stuff he has been saying the last week or so. he cares about one thing, and that's keeping himself in the speaker
going over the fiscal cliff is serious business. >> is serious. >> sound byte: i'm here trying to resolve it. i would hope the white house would get serious as well. >> get it solved with bourbon. >> stephanie: jim can confirm this is what we've been doing all morning. i brought in leftover french fries and i brought mustard and i've been doing this all morning. sorry about the carpet. sorry, sorry. >> the noises were more graphic when there was more mustard....
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. >> reporter: right now it's looking more likely that we could, could, go over that fiscal cliff at the end of the month because right now, negotiations here are at a stand still. president obama talks to the business round table today after telling bloomberg he absolutely won't bunch. the wealthiest americans must pay more. >> we're not going to be able to get a deal without it. >> reporter: he may be in a good position to wait it out. a new poll found more half of americans will blame republicans if we go over the fiscal cliff. >> republicans do not want to touch one hair on the head of one person making over $250,000. that is the rub. >> they've got to come with some specific revenue. they refuse to do that. >> reporter: even other republicans are split on john boehner's plan to avoid tax hikes all together and admit negotiations are going nowhere. >> nothing going on privately that's not going on publicly. >> reporter: republicans say the president needs to meet them halfway. >> he's got to be serious. he's offered more spending, more stimulus than offering any new cuts. >> repo
. >> reporter: right now it's looking more likely that we could, could, go over that fiscal cliff at the end of the month because right now, negotiations here are at a stand still. president obama talks to the business round table today after telling bloomberg he absolutely won't bunch. the wealthiest americans must pay more. >> we're not going to be able to get a deal without it. >> reporter: he may be in a good position to wait it out. a new poll found more half of americans...
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the optics of republicans leaving today, wednesday, with two days left in the week with the fiscal cliff not too far away certainly may be questionable. what they insist is that their members are going to go back home and talk to their businesses and small business leaders to maybe play the outside in-game that the president has been playing by trying to rally support for his side of this issue. >> dana bash, reporting live from capitol hill. >>> also, right now, brefing congress about exactly what happened in benghazi. every single members of the house of representatives, all 400 plus of them were invited. so elise, this is a multimedia presentation. so is it a power point on benghazi? >> reporter: well, carol, the members are just starting to arrive right now. they will be meeting in this room right here, this auditorium. minority leader nancy pelosi just arrived. basically, it's going to be very similar to the briefing that some of the members of the intelligence committees, armed services committee, the leadership, those classified briefings already took place with a very specific le
the optics of republicans leaving today, wednesday, with two days left in the week with the fiscal cliff not too far away certainly may be questionable. what they insist is that their members are going to go back home and talk to their businesses and small business leaders to maybe play the outside in-game that the president has been playing by trying to rally support for his side of this issue. >> dana bash, reporting live from capitol hill. >>> also, right now, brefing congress...
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the president traveled to pennsylvania to visit a small business today to talk about the fiscal cliff. unfortunately, it's the president and members of his own party who were proposing that we let many small businesses, as in hundreds of thousands of them, go over the fiscal cliff. simply put, that's why we don't have an agreement as yet. they said yesterday this is not a game. i used to be a small business owner. small business owners are regular men and women from all backgrounds who, in today's economy, are facing challenges on a daily basis. and the president's tax increase would be another crippling blow for them while doing little to nothing to solve the bigger problem here, which is our national deficit and our national debt. this debt doesn't exist because we don't tax small businesses enough. it exists because washington continues to spend too much. raising taxes on small businesses instead of taking a balanced approach that also cuts spending is wrong. it's only going to make it harder for our economy to grow. and if our economy doesn't grow, americans don't get new jobs. an
the president traveled to pennsylvania to visit a small business today to talk about the fiscal cliff. unfortunately, it's the president and members of his own party who were proposing that we let many small businesses, as in hundreds of thousands of them, go over the fiscal cliff. simply put, that's why we don't have an agreement as yet. they said yesterday this is not a game. i used to be a small business owner. small business owners are regular men and women from all backgrounds who, in...
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we don't need to navigate the fiscal cliff. that will hurt the economy. when the economy is bad, less people travel commercially for leisure, less people send packages. it hurts us and again, razor thin profit margin, we need a good economy, we need the economy good overt long haul. it's good for business. >> gretchen: do you think they were actually listening to what you had to say? >> i think they were. >> gretchen: really? >> yeah. i think it was a good discussion because the business radio he said were talking about what the impact of going overt cliff would be and also with a it would be down the line. >> gretchen: but so much, nick, of what's been discussed in the press is only about increasing taxes. you just got done talking about the fact that a stool falls over unless you have the other legs there. did you get the sense in these insider talks that people are actually going to take on entitlement reform? >> i think behind the scenes talk, yes. right now there is a lot of public posturing going on and that, i think, i personally think that's a pro
we don't need to navigate the fiscal cliff. that will hurt the economy. when the economy is bad, less people travel commercially for leisure, less people send packages. it hurts us and again, razor thin profit margin, we need a good economy, we need the economy good overt long haul. it's good for business. >> gretchen: do you think they were actually listening to what you had to say? >> i think they were. >> gretchen: really? >> yeah. i think it was a good discussion...
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hostage over the fiscal cliff. >> susie: and apple shares get
hostage over the fiscal cliff. >> susie: and apple shares get
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cliff. but his actions have not matched his public statements. members of his own party seem quite comfortable with sending the economy over the fiscal cliff. >> the speaker's remarks riled the left and provoked this response from senate majority leader harry reid. >> he says that democrats have got to get serious about cuts, spending cuts. where is the disconnect, then? >> i don't understand his brain, so you should ask him. okay? >> with only a handful of legislative days left on the congress's calendar before the looming fiscal cliff becomes a raw reality, will the president and house gop find a way over the latest road black and back to the bargaining table? >> why did the white house decide to have this as their opening volley when they knew the response would be a negative one that they drew? >> was it hardball opening? yeah, of course it was. the question is, what's the counteroffer? >> i would imagine there has to -- tim geithner is too smart of a guy in this administration is filled
cliff. but his actions have not matched his public statements. members of his own party seem quite comfortable with sending the economy over the fiscal cliff. >> the speaker's remarks riled the left and provoked this response from senate majority leader harry reid. >> he says that democrats have got to get serious about cuts, spending cuts. where is the disconnect, then? >> i don't understand his brain, so you should ask him. okay? >> with only a handful of legislative...
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. >> tom, business investment was down 2.2% in the latest gdp report, and a lot of that is fiscal cliff tied to that. when do you see business investments starting to pick up, because we all kind of know the housing story, we know consumers kind of hung in. i think actually the next big upside could be a business investment, if it comes back but when does that come, in your opinion? >> it's a tricky question because there's two dynamics when we talk about business investment, it's capital spending which has a huge tech component, but it's also construction activity because it's building out the commercial infrastructure, health care, roads, et cetera, that associate with capital spending itself. companies can be cautious and we know there are multi, multidecade levels of cautiousness given their cash and where spending is and at some point pure replacement has to take over. that's really what sparked the recovery in housing, we were scrapping so many homes and you had organic growth. i think we're getting to the break point soon. >> tom, let me ask you about a couple of your picks befor
. >> tom, business investment was down 2.2% in the latest gdp report, and a lot of that is fiscal cliff tied to that. when do you see business investments starting to pick up, because we all kind of know the housing story, we know consumers kind of hung in. i think actually the next big upside could be a business investment, if it comes back but when does that come, in your opinion? >> it's a tricky question because there's two dynamics when we talk about business investment, it's...
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owners today to talk about the fiscal cliff, raising tax rates on the richest americans for them is still off the table. >> the revenues on the table are coming from, guess who? the rich. there are ways to limit deductions, close loopholes, and have the same people pay more of their money to the federal government without raising tax rates, which we believe will harm our economy. if the president doesn't agree with our proposal and our outline, i think he's got an obligation to send one to the congress. a plan that can pass both chambers of congress. >> joining me now is former vermont governor howard dean and msnbc's krystal ball. governor dean, our treasury secretary is a very carwful speaker. when asked if they're prepared to go off the cliff, his first word was absolutely. there was nothing, nothing could be more clear that this administration means what they say about getting what they want at this point. >> yeah. the only problem is -- this is a little initially going to team like heresy, the truth is everybody needs to pay more taxes, not just the rich. that's a good start. w
owners today to talk about the fiscal cliff, raising tax rates on the richest americans for them is still off the table. >> the revenues on the table are coming from, guess who? the rich. there are ways to limit deductions, close loopholes, and have the same people pay more of their money to the federal government without raising tax rates, which we believe will harm our economy. if the president doesn't agree with our proposal and our outline, i think he's got an obligation to send one...
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as we approach the fiscal cliff and harry reid's state has been slow. it's hit every industry in nevada and i mean every industry. >> how's business? >> it's been better. >> susan austin run as small business outside reno, nevada, but her business is different. it's a brothel. the legendary mustang ranch. >> this is one of our suites, the asian suite. austin thought the world's oldest profession would be recessionproof. not true. >> then went my high rollers. they discovered they didn't have the discretionary income and they couldn't play as hard as they used to. well that definitely dug into their wallets which definitely affected us. >> will the fiscal cliff impact the mustang ranch? >> well, if folks rub out of money and jobs, i suppose it could. >> gillman is a republican who is looking to nevada's powerful democrat harry reid to keep that from happening. >> do you like harry read? >> harry reid and i have been friends if 30r years and harry and i both share a vision and a love for the state of nevada. >> susan austin says even here the cliff will h
as we approach the fiscal cliff and harry reid's state has been slow. it's hit every industry in nevada and i mean every industry. >> how's business? >> it's been better. >> susan austin run as small business outside reno, nevada, but her business is different. it's a brothel. the legendary mustang ranch. >> this is one of our suites, the asian suite. austin thought the world's oldest profession would be recessionproof. not true. >> then went my high rollers. they...
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is your company hiring and what about this fiscal cliff? how big of an issue is that for your company. >> our company absolutely is hiring. we do business in almost 50 countries. we are fortunate to provide johns all over the world but definitely in the united states we are hiring corporate positions, hourly positions, our franchise partners are hiring management employees especially through the busiest time of year, the retail season to tkpwroeu thgrow the business. as for the fiscal cliff it's frightening, but i have to have a level of faith and belief that our elected officials, and current and growing administration will figure out a way to make sure that we continue to prosper as a country and small business owners like my franchisees still have a strong and productive business climate in wish to run their businesses. jenna: i bet our viewers are probably saying, she would be good in government. do you think you'll ever go in that direction. >> you never know. i enjoy being in the private sector, investing in our communities and being
is your company hiring and what about this fiscal cliff? how big of an issue is that for your company. >> our company absolutely is hiring. we do business in almost 50 countries. we are fortunate to provide johns all over the world but definitely in the united states we are hiring corporate positions, hourly positions, our franchise partners are hiring management employees especially through the busiest time of year, the retail season to tkpwroeu thgrow the business. as for the fiscal...
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coming up, a closer look at the fiscal cliff and how it could affect small businesses. [ male announcer ] when was the last time something made your jaw drop? campbell's has 24 new soups that will make it drop over, and over again. ♪ from jammin' jerk chicken, to creamy gouda bisque. see what's new from campbell's. it's amazing what soup can do. as part of a heart healthy diet. that's true. ...but you still have to go to the gym. ♪ the one and only, cheerios >>> fiscal split. the two sides seem farther than ever apart after round one of talks. >> asphalt eruption. the story behind this 30-foot geyser on a california street. >>> a new yorker hit by hurricane sandy hits power ball for a million bucks. welcome back to "early start." i'm christine romans. >> i'm zoraida sambolin. 30 minutes past the hour. jitters for small business owners. president obama is calling for $1.6 trillion in tax spikes. john boehner is telling him to get serious. >> with 32 days left, the two parties are trading insults with 90% of americans facing higher taxes next year. small business owners want answers.
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earlier the president told the business round table a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff could be reached quickly if republicans drop their opposition to raising tax rates on the wealthy. in an interview on cnbc, timothy geithner says the gop is making a little bit of progress, but the white house is absolutely ready to go over the cliff if tax rates on the top 2% don't rise. >> i want to understand the administration's position when it comes to raising taxes on the wealthy, those making more than $250,000. if republicans do not agree to that, is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> absolutely. again, there is no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest. remember, it's only 2%. >> with both sides in washington publicly digging in their heels, how much will the fiscal cliff impact the credit markets? ben garber joins us for more. ben, good morning. clearly we're focused on the down side risk from the budget standoff and then there's beyond that. let's talk about the short term at the moment. what impact is tha
earlier the president told the business round table a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff could be reached quickly if republicans drop their opposition to raising tax rates on the wealthy. in an interview on cnbc, timothy geithner says the gop is making a little bit of progress, but the white house is absolutely ready to go over the cliff if tax rates on the top 2% don't rise. >> i want to understand the administration's position when it comes to raising taxes on the wealthy, those making more...
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attempts to link the fiscal cliff budget negotiations to future increases in the nation's debt ceiling. "the new york times" reported republicans might accept higher tax rates on wealthier americans to avoid triggering tax hikes for everyone. in return, they'd demand greater spending cuts next year before raising the federal borrowing limit. >> if congress in any way suggests that they're going to tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes and take us to the brink of default once again as part of a budget negotiation, which, by the way, we have never done in our history until we did it last year, i will not play that game because we've got to... we've got to break that habit before it starts. >> reporter: the 2011 standoff between the president and republicans led the nation to the brink of national default. standard and poor's even lowered its rating on u.s. government bonds. now, the president has proposed he be given authority to raise the debt ceiling without congressional action. house republicans reject that idea. and they've called for raising revenue without rate hikes, plus major
attempts to link the fiscal cliff budget negotiations to future increases in the nation's debt ceiling. "the new york times" reported republicans might accept higher tax rates on wealthier americans to avoid triggering tax hikes for everyone. in return, they'd demand greater spending cuts next year before raising the federal borrowing limit. >> if congress in any way suggests that they're going to tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes and take us to the brink of default once...